Just This Guy: Ed Harris on being in his body and relaxing into the moment

Ed Harris as domineering father Alan in Get Away If You Can.
Ed Harris as domineering father Alan in Get Away If You Can.

Actor Ed Harris talks about the masculinity on display in Get Away If You Can, being “the thinking woman’s sex symbol” and paying attention to your life.

The word “legend” gets bandied about to the point where it’s lost a bit of its meaning, but there are still some people who unquestionably fit that bill—and I, for one, consider Ed Harris legendary in the acting sphere. After working his way to star athlete in high school, the New Jersey native discovered his love for acting through local theater productions before moving to Los Angeles and graduating from the California Institute of the Arts.

His first feature film role was as “Pathology Resident #2” in Michael Crichton’s 1978 thriller Coma, but named roles were soon on the horizon. After breaking out as John Glenn in The Right Stuff five years later, Harris cemented himself as an instantly recognizable face for the next four decades.

Even a brief appearance in the opening scenes of this year’s biggest cinematic event, Top Gun: Maverick, makes a mark specifically because that’s not just anyone playing Rear Admiral Chester “Hammer” Cain, that‘s Ed fucking Harris. People have a certain way they expect a Harris character to be, and the four-time Oscar nominee is able to use that to his advantage both by playing into it and by subverting expectations when he chooses. 

Ed Harris stealing the opening scenes of Top Gun: Maverick like the legend he is.
Ed Harris stealing the opening scenes of Top Gun: Maverick like the legend he is.

Search “Ed Harris” on Letterboxd reviews and you discover that there can never be enough Ed Harris, that the actor can make anything watchable. “When Ed Harris is on screen I think to myself ‘Yes’. When Ed Harris isn’t on screen I think to myself ‘No’,” writes Juhana. Important questions arise, like “Why don’t more people talk about Ed Harris?,” or a particularly troubling dilemma from Rachel, whose review of Enemy at the Gates queries, “Weirdly rooting for the Nazi villain played by Ed Harris. Why am I always wanting Ed Harris villains to succeed? The Truman Show? Westworld? Am I actually an Ed Harris stan?”

Yes, Rachel, we are all Ed Harris stans, because, as Mason insists, “the roles that Ed Harris plays can only be played by Ed Harris.” Even the most pessimistic of us can’t resist his charms, such as Todd, who states, “Kids suck. Teenagers suck. Adults suck. But Ed Harris, Ed Harris does not suck.” Perhaps it’s Ethan who best captures the feeling Harris gives us all, as his Snowpiercer review keeps it nice and simple: “Ed Harris!”

You’ve got to get out of your own f—king shit sometimes. A lot of people don’t. 

—⁠Ed Harris

While more people certainly need to talk about Ed Harris, I recently had the chance to talk to Ed Harris, as he jumped on the line to discuss his latest feature, Get Away If You Can. Written and directed by Terrence Martin and Dominique Brun, the real-life married couple also star in the film as TJ and Domi, whose relationship might have hit a breaking point. They embark on an open-ocean sail to try and reignite their spark, while flashbacks show how they got to this point. Those include glimpses of their relationship with TJ’s father Alan (Ed Harris), an intimidating chauvinist who clashes hard with Domi’s progressive views of the world and insists his son must assert his dominance as a man in the marriage.

Harris chatted about that very nature of manliness, how his own relationship with that identity has shifted over the years, and the most interesting roles he has taken across his vast impressive career.

TJ (Terrence Martin) needs distance from his toxic father Alan in Get Away If You Can.
TJ (Terrence Martin) needs distance from his toxic father Alan in Get Away If You Can.

Terrence Martin talked about first meeting you at the Oscars some years back when he was a page. What’s been your impression of him and how did that initial meeting evolve into you eventually taking part in Get Away If You Can?
Ed Harris: Well, to tell you the truth, I don’t really recall that first meeting. I imagine it’s because I haven’t been to the Oscars for quite a while. But yeah, he contacted me after that, about five years ago, and asked if I would take a look at the footage they’d shot, him and Domi. I looked at it and was really impressed with the fact that they even shot it, because it was out on the open seas—off the coast of Chile, I believe.

He told me about the story and gave me the script, said he wanted me to play his father, and I was really impressed with their commitment—the fact that they had shot that footage maybe two years prior to that. They were just determined to make this film, and I knew that if I lent my name to it, it’d probably help a little bit in terms of them getting the funds to finish it. So I said, “Sure, I’ll do that.” I like TJ and I like Domi. I think they are very much in love and a really nice couple.

It’s clearly a passion project of theirs, something they’ve been pushing years to make happen. Is that drive something you found yourself relating to? I know it took you something like a decade to get your directing debut Pollock made.
Yeah, very much so. The part that I played, it’s not a part that I would normally be excited about doing, and I was very willing to do it because it helped those guys finish their dream project. And I actually had a good time filming it, we got along great. I haven’t seen the finished project yet, but I’m looking forward to watching it.

Ed Harris earned his first Oscar nomination for his performance as Gene Kranz in Apollo 13 (1995).
Ed Harris earned his first Oscar nomination for his performance as Gene Kranz in Apollo 13 (1995).

A lot of your character’s presence is focused on that relationship with his son, and this pressure he’s putting on him to be “a real man.” Whenever I think of that notion of a man, I think about your former co-star Gene Hackman, who has such a manly presence but would often speak about how real men are ones who are not afraid of their femininity and their vulnerability. What does being a man mean to you?
Most of all, I think it means paying attention to your life and not getting sucked into a kind of pressure that is put on a lot of American men to be macho, to be this, to be that. Life is not something that you figure out when you’re 25 years old. I’m 71 now and still learning—still trying to be a better person. I think any man or woman, their job is to keep going as a human being and expanding their mind, keeping your heart open and learning about yourself and the people you love, and being a tolerant, caring individual. We all have many sides to bounce through, and I know it’s important to not deny any of those sides that come.

Did becoming a father have an impact on your interpretation of that role?
For sure. When [my daughter] Lily was born, it changed things. You wake up and the first person you think about is not yourself, which is nice, but what really helped out was Amy [Madigan]. I’ve been married to her for 39 years, come this November. When we were first together, I was not someone who knew what it meant to be open with your feelings. She used to say, “You got to talk to me, you got to tell me what's going on. How are you feeling?” I said, “What do you mean? Don’t you just know how I feel?” That was a lot for me, and it took a long time for me to really be able to be a true partner with her. You’ve got to get out of your own f—king shit sometimes. A lot of people don’t.

Ed Harris with wife Amy Madigan and daughter Lily at his Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony in 2015.
Ed Harris with wife Amy Madigan and daughter Lily at his Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony in 2015.

I was reading this interview where you were asked, “If you could give your younger self some advice, what would it be?” And your answer was basically to relax because you get a little bit too intense sometimes. How are you dealing with that intensity these days? Are you feeling more mellowed out?
Not as an actor, but definitely as a human being, you know what I mean? The last couple jobs I’ve had—a couple of indie films, one with Lily Rabe and this thing I just finished with Kristen Stewart—I’ve been feeling very relaxed. Just within my body as an actor, I’ve been feeling really comfortable in front of the camera—very unconscious of the camera, and really just being able to see the way I’m working with myself. I always felt that way, but I’ve been feeling even more present lately. It’s good.

If I had a full head of hair, and had a full head of hair my entire life, I’d probably be a completely different person, to tell you the truth.

—⁠Ed Harris

You’ve said before that you don’t think you get the credit you deserve for being bald and playing parts in films meant for people with hair. Could you elaborate on that uniqueness of being a leading actor in Hollywood who’s unafraid to be bald in a world that often resists that natural evolution?
Nowadays, it’s nothing. There’s all kinds of people that are playing major roles and starring roles that don’t have any hair or have shaved their head or whatever. 30 years ago I didn’t have hair, and I haven’t had hair on top of my head for quite a long time. I don’t necessarily need any credit for that. It was a fact. If I had a full head of hair, and had a full head of hair my entire life, I’d probably be a completely different person, to tell you the truth. My career probably would have benefited, but I don’t know that possible timeline because that’s not where I’m at. [Laughs] You should see me now, man. I got hair down the middle of my back. I got these extensions for this thing I just did, it’s a lot.

[Laughs] I’m looking forward to seeing that. I read an article that described you as “the thinking woman’s sex symbol,” which I can attest to because when I told my mom I was interviewing you she shrieked like I’ve never heard her shriek before and said she had chills because you’re a huge crush of hers.
[Laughs] Wow!

So, Ed Harris, how does it feel to be the thinking woman’s sex symbol?
I think it just means that I’ve been the most sensitive guy. I’m in touch with my own feelings, and I’m pretty aware of how other people are doing and feeling. I think I’m really insightful about where other people are coming from, and if that makes me a thinking woman’s whatever then I guess yeah, I don’t know.

Ed Harris and Olivia Colman shuffle the decks in The Lost Daughter (2021).
Ed Harris and Olivia Colman shuffle the decks in The Lost Daughter (2021).

When I read that, it made me think of your performance in The Lost Daughter, which is so gentle. You initially weren’t interested in that film, but it was your wife Amy who convinced you to take the part. What was your initial reluctance there and how did she manage to turn you around?
I just didn’t find the man very interesting. I was like, “Oh, he’s just kind of there,” you know? And it was more about the film itself. When Amy read it, she said, “This is a great film. This is really about something, especially from a woman’s perspective.” So I read it again, trying to read it from a different perspective, and I got what she was saying. Then, when I was actually doing it, especially working with the people I was working with, it was really rewarding. When I was talking about feeling more relaxed, that film was a revelation to me in the sense that I did it very relaxed. I was just this guy, you know? He was just this fella.

One film that I’d be remiss not to bring up is The Truman Show, which is one of the most popular films on Letterboxd. Your involvement with it is really interesting, in that you came on late after they had already started filming, replacing Dennis Hopper in your role, and you really made it something special. Is that one you look back on fondly now, with that same reverence so many people have for it?
I love working with Peter Weir because he’s very thorough. He has a vision and he pays attention to every little detail. When he asked me to do that, I only had a couple of days before I started filming. In a way, I was glad about this. I didn’t have a lot of time to tie myself up in knots about what I was going to try and prove. I just had to come up with an idea and work with Peter on it. And yeah, the film—I mean, talk about a pretty prescient film in terms of what’s happening today. I have fond memories of it, yeah. I didn’t really work with Jim [Carrey] one-on-one, but I got to know him a little bit. I like Jim a lot.

Ed Harris as Christof, the man behind it all in The Truman Show (1998).
Ed Harris as Christof, the man behind it all in The Truman Show (1998).

Similar to Get Away If You Can, that’s a film that’s very much about escape and despite its dark themes it’s turned into a big comfort film for a lot of people. Do you have any films that you return to time and time again when you’re looking for a retreat from the world?
To be perfectly honest, no I don’t. Nothing comes to mind. Well, actually, one would be Ryan’s Daughter. There’s something about that movie. It’s always enchanted me, and it’s definitely soothing to my soul, watching that movie. I think a lot of it has to do with where it was shot. It’s just so beautiful, you know?

If watching films isn’t usually the go-to comfort activity for you, what is it that you like to do that helps you escape from it all and reconnect with the beauty of the world?
I do enjoy being in nature. I enjoy manual labor. I’ve got a few acres where I live and there’s always something to do. I find that it’s very therapeutic for me to just work with my body, my hands, my legs, my head—figuring things out. It keeps you very much in the moment, and that’s helpful to me. I do have a tendency to get ahead of myself sometimes. It’s nice to just pull back and concentrate on what you’re doing at the moment.

Yeah, I’ve really been trying to push myself to be better about going and taking a walk outside for like an hour every day. Just getting away from screens.
Yeah, and if you’re out there in nature, in the woods, and you just stand still for a while, all kinds of things start happening.

Alex Cox’s Walker (1987), starring Ed Harris as William Walker, has earned immense reappraisal in the decades since its release.
Alex Cox’s Walker (1987), starring Ed Harris as William Walker, has earned immense reappraisal in the decades since its release.

I wanted to bring up the Alex Cox film Walker, which just had a gorgeous new release from The Criterion Collection. It’s an incredible film, and reading through the backstory of it, that sounds like such a complicated shoot down in Nicaragua. Was the filming experience of that one as chaotic as it seems?
I don’t know about chaotic, but it was a bit surreal on some level, I suppose. The Contra War was actually going on at that time. Nicaragua is still a very poor country, and here we were—we were getting help from the Sandinistas in terms of labor and lumber and all kinds of things. I have fond memories of that movie. It’s a crazy, wild movie but I was totally into it. I was totally into it, man, I was committed big time.

That’s my job; to find this character, play this character, and help this person’s vision come to life on the screen. I get excited to work with people that really want me to help them make their film come to life.

—⁠Ed Harris

It’s definitely one of those films that didn’t get the respect it deserved when it came out, but now people are starting to come back around to it and appreciate it a lot more. People didn’t quite get it at the time.
Yeah, I think the anachronisms caught people up, for one thing. The story was actually pretty big news in 1855, but the Civil War came and people forgot about this guy who went down to Nicaragua and took over the country. I think it was at the request of Cornelius Vanderbilt, if I’m not mistaken, trying to connect the two oceans together down there in Nicaragua. But yeah, it didn’t help Alex’s career.

I haven’t talked to Alex in a while. I hope he’s still making movies. I know he made a couple things after that, but really Alex could be his own worst enemy. I think he alienated a lot of people because he had a certain attitude going on, and it was offensive at times. But I love to work with people that just have a vision and a strong thing working for them. Even if part of their brains are a little bit out there, I really like that.

I read that to help get into character, you led the entire cast through a ten-mile march through the countryside.
I did, actually! And Miguel Sandoval and his wife were on that, and Miguel’s wife had been trying to get pregnant and she got pregnant soon after that. It opened up her whole body. It was hot, it was up and down on really dusty, dry hills. It was really scary. I remember that very well. Everybody was into it, they all followed me.

Ed Harris earned another acting Oscar nomination for playing Pollock (2000), which was also his debut feature as a director.
Ed Harris earned another acting Oscar nomination for playing Pollock (2000), which was also his debut feature as a director.

Would you say that’s the most intense thing you’ve done to prepare for a role?
I don’t know, I spent so many years working on Pollock. That was probably the most involved that I ever was with any particular character in terms of really trying to inhabit the essence of someone. Walker’s up there with that though, I’ve got to say. I remember I lost a lot of weight. I was rationing myself to four Ritz crackers a day, among other stuff. There were certain things I was very disciplined about at that time. I met Marlee [Matlin] during that shoot. I learned ASL for a while. I have fond memories of working with her, she was something very special.

Is it true that on Pollock you had to be hospitalized for a bit due to the stress of working on it?
After pre-production, yeah, which was really, really exhausting. I don’t remember how far we were into filming, but the scene I think when it’s his first show with Peggy Guggenheim and even in the shot you can see that I’m standing but I look like I’m about to fall over. I was just exhausted. I had to take a couple of days off. I totally ran out of gas.

When you’re taking on a project, how much of it is about finding the character you’re really excited about, and how much is about wanting to lend what you can bring to the overall film?
Well, most of the time it’s about the character and who I’m going to be working with. And the script, of course. I mean, the script’s a bible and if the script doesn’t resonate with me, I’m not too interested. Then, when you talk to a director—whether it’s Agnieszka Holland or Peter Weir or Ron Howard or whoever it might be—directors who really have an intention and really have a specific vision about the movie and want you to help them realize that, I like that. That’s my job; to find this character, play this character, and help this person’s vision come to life on the screen. I get excited to work with people that really want me to help them make their film come to life.


Get Away If You Can’ is in theaters and on VOD now from Brainstorm Media.

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